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  • Okay, so many have debated or wondered if Sora is a protagonist or an antagonist, but many immediately throw Icicle in with the bad guys. But shouldn't stop and think about what each are doing? Sora tried to kill Icicle out of fear and for revenge. She had the nagging fear Icicle would kill her or her friends, and wanted revenge for the death of Crane, whom Icicle killed. She severely injured one dragonet and killed 2 others, and could've killed many more if Moon hadn't stopped them. But she didn't stop there, she tried again with the stalactite. Or what if she tried something else? Like Darkstalker said, he can see many future possibilities, what if she hurt more dragons in the process of trying to get an eye for an eye? 


    Icicle wanted her brother back. She would've probably never done what she did if Scarlet hadn't made a pact with her to return Hailstorm back to her. She even would've been able to be talked out of it by Winter if she had told him. When she killed Crane she was in a battle, obviously Mudwings would lose their lives at her claws. But what Icewings with families do you think Sora and her sibs must've killed? Anyway, she seemed to be really afraid of facing Scarlet again after failing the attempt to kill the Dragonets of Destiny for her, even burning herself WITH FREAKING LAVA to stay awake and try to keep Hailstorm from being killed.



    We kinda have to see it from both dragon's points of view. They were doing what they did to get back a family member in one case, and to try and find justice in the other. Opinions on the subject from others' points of view will be appreciated and read with an open mind. :D

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    • Hmmm... sounds really logical...

      does that mean that Icicle really isn't an antagonist? And does it mean that perhaps both aren't evil, they were both just forced to do what they thought was right.

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    • In our own minds and stories, we are always the one in the right. Plus, I'm pretty sure both of them were a little crazy. Crazy people are not that logical; I'm pretty sure that's a proven fact. But yeah, what you are saying makes sense :)

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    • This is why I ship them.

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    • MNA

      Glory worked with Glacier to achieve a degree of restituion for what Icicle did. Hopefully Moorhen can negotiate something similar for Sora.

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    • That would be great, but Sora actually killed dragons. I don't think Icicle actually killed anyone; she just tried.

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    • The point is Tui makes all of her characters like this: you can see them as either villains or heroes depending on which side of them you choose to see. All Icicle wants is her brother back and her tribe's approval of her- you really can't pin her as a villain for trying to achieve those goals.

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    • MNA

      Icicle murdered a Nightwing guard in Winter Turning. Quite brutally.

      The point here really isn't about villain or hero classification it's about justice, restitution and dragons having some form of the rule of law. Glory would be a terrible queen of the Nightwings if she let Icicle off the hook, same deal with her and Ruby with regards to Bigtail and Carnelian.

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    • But at the same time... no wait, I can't argue with that. Logically, both Sora and Icicle should be punished and are only alive because of the kindness and mercy of others.

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    • Okay..some of this could be false..I haven't read book 6 in a while.

      So Sora attempted to kill Icicle because she wanted to get revenge for Icicle killing her sister. But think of this: Sora also probably killed other dragons in the war. They had friends. They had families. Yet somehow Icicle is a horrible dragon for doing the exact same thing, just it happened to be Sora's sister! So yes, I understand Sora probably would have a grudge againist Icicle..but going so far as killing her? That just isn't right. Also, what if Moon didn't have future telling powers? Even MORE dragons would get killed by the explosion.

      Then we have Icicle, who went after the dragonets for her brother. Now, her brother WASN'T dead, and bringing her brother back could have really helped the Icewings..so she could have been doing it for her tribe. Hailstorm's a great warrior, so bringing him to the Icewings would have helped them if they were in battle. So that's FIVE DRAGONETS to try to help an ENTIRE TRIBE. Then Icicle went to just killing one (Glory). Yet when she failed, she went so far to burn her own scales so that Queen Scarlet wouldn't contact her. That's pretty far and could have killed her eventually.

      So, myself I actually think of them both as doing something bad and should be punished, not just Icicle, but that's my opinion. 

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    • I agree, both should be punished, but I think everyonhe's trying their best to keep others from killing anymore. That's not always the easiest thing to do.

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    • .....

      Sora is the name of my younger sis. :3

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    • but i guess they both need to be punished. but neither of them are actually bad. 

      Sora killed by accident, and wanted to kill Icicle because she thought that was the best thing to do.

      Icicle killed Crane because that's what she's supposed to do in war. she tried to kill the Dragonets becuase she wanted Hailstorm.

      they both made bad choices, but neither of them are bad.

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    • MNA

      Mmm, I don't know. 

      Sora did not kill by accident. She was very intentionally trying to kill, she just killed two people she wasn't directly aiming for, which is still murder in the second degree at least. There's no way she wasn't aware of the risk of collateral damage in her plan.

      Icicle's situation of being put in position to kill to save her brother's life is actually more sympathetic, though her attitude seems to suggest she saw a degree of revenge in it as well, particularly with Starflight, which is a completely wrongheaded position to take. Starflight couldn't be blamed for the deaths of the IceWing Prisoners in book 1. 

      I wouldn't think of either of them as 'good.' Sympathetic villains yes, but still bad. 

      But I think we both agree they need to be held accountable for their actions regardless.

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    • But, Sora said that she thought Icicle was going ot be the only on in the cave so, she wasn't purposely tryign to kill or hurt anyone besides Icicle. 

      MudWing sister-brother bonds are immpossibly strong. I know I would stop at nothing to avenge one of my family members if they were killed. I understand what Sora did. She should be punished but, not as severely.

      Icicle was doing the same thing except, she was trying to save a living family member, making hers definentally more understandable except, we have to remember the strong MudWing sibling bond. I think that the basic outcome for both should be strong but, not too strong (very unclear I know ;) ) 

      I would put both in the protagonist group. 

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    • MNA
      Stormcloudtheskywing wrote:
      I would put both in the protagonist group. 

      The definition of a protagonist is:

      "The main character in a drama or other literary work."

      Under no circumstance has either Sora or Icicle been a main character.

      Or did you mean "Good guy?"

      In that case, also no, not in any meaningful sense of the word. 

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    • Yeah. I meant "good guy." My dad says that that's what the protagonist and antagonists are. Maybe it's both?

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    • MNA

      From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

      • n. The main character in a drama or other literary work.
      • n. In ancient Greek drama, the first actor to engage in dialogue with the chorus, in later dramas playing the main character and some minor characters as well.
      • n. A leading or principal figure.
      • n. The leader of a cause; a champion.
      • n. Usage Problem A proponent; an advocate.
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    • Wow. Cool. Number 4.

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    • Icicle and Sora are very neutral as far as good and evil.  Sora should still be held responsible, forever, as she should have let the war go.  

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    • She should, I agree. But, it is extremely sad that her sister was killed like that. Even though I feel bad that Icicle killed Sora's sister, I admit that it was all part of war.

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